I don’t mean to be rude or contrary. It’s just that Israel isn’t going to give an inch. In fact, it’s going to take several. Who will stop them?
The TSS (two state solution) was dead before it got started. It’s doubly dead now. The Israelis are massacring Palestinians in the West Bank and, well, you know what’s going on in Gaza. So there’s not going to be a consensus or a treaty. The Gazans will be told to live in tent cities while Israel and Europe rebuild Gaza. For Israel.
I appreciate what you are saying here, but you can’t have coexistence when one side has all the power and political impunity. Why shouldn’t the Israelis push the Gazans into the sea (or Egypt)? It’s not like the US/UK or UN will do anything about it.
This asymmetric power dynamic isn’t new. It’s always been this way. Where did the Israelis get their planes and tanks from in 1948? Why doesn’t Palestine have an army? This was the plan of the western powers, who didn’t want a flood of Jewish refugees in Western Europe or the US, but DID want an outpost in the ME.
That was not my interpretation. I just think we’re after different things. Some people want to object when they see injustice, and I think that’s noble. I tend to be a bit more reticent, and only object when I can identify an option with better outcomes. I think there are real benefits to having a positive plan to advocate, rather than purely opposition, because it equalizes the positions of the discussants rather than having some people on defense while others have nothing to defend.
A little bit back on topic, as my joke of a country drops plans to abandon metric.
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2023/1227/1423821-uk-measurement/
Fantastic work.
TiL you use both over there. Talk about a mindfuck.
Why in gods name would you even consider bring back “freedom units” (which is what I refer to all the messed up measures here in the us of a)
We never really got rid of imperial. I grew up using a mix of metric and imperial. For example, a persons height was in imperial, but the distance across the room was in metric.
The move to bring imperial back into more things would be a brexit circle jerk thing. “Bloody Europeans making us buy kilos of bananas instead of pounds of bananas. If they bring back imperial, it’ll be just like the good old days when the wife knew her place, and men were men” etc
And we had the empire where the sun never sets?
Those were the days….
This has been fairly topical around the office these last few weeks (living in Chicago), but I think spreading the people across the US and sharing the opportunities to help is a great idea.
Too bad it’s politically motivated and that it’s god damn freezing in the north Tim his time of year 
So was slavery. So was The Holocaust. Stealing someone else’s land for a horrific injustice you just suffered isn’t ethical or moral.
Stop right there. The current conflict has nothing to do with The Holocaust. It has to do with the Nakba killing and driving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homes. You cannot use a genocide to justify another genocide. “Never again” means never again for anyone, right? Right?
You’re an occupying power on land that isn’t yours with your boot on the neck of the most stubborn people on earth, and you’re upset they spoiled your midnight rave?
Israeli leaders are telling you you’re wrong about this. It isn’t about Hamas. Hamas will survive. It’s about land. It’s always been about land.
Yes, I can imagine so. I can think of one easy way they could ensure that forever more. Can you?
This is no longer a conversation I want to have here, a place I consider a respite from the bullshit of the world. You seem to want to continue stoking the fire but I’m afraid you’ll have to do it without me.
I just responded to your post, but it seems there are certain preferences here that I was unaware about going in. If I allow the western, racist AF narrative with barely a murmur, that’s ok, but if I contest imbedded propaganda and genocide justification, that’s somehow…beyond the pale.
And it makes me think how much most of us, myself included, are siloed into our white, western, Global North ways of thinking. The Russo-Ukraine war, as I have found with friends and on various forums, isn’t complicated. Sure, some people are tankies and pro-Russian, but generally everybody else can see there’s an aggressor and a victim, and not only the facts but the history will bear that out.
But in Gaza? For Muslims? For people who don’t dress like us, speak our language, who resent the west (I wonder fucking why), who are discernably “other”? There the sympathy ends. How dare they resist? How dare they change their perennially awful circumstances? They get what’s coming to them. After all, there was no context for the October 7th attacks, none whatsoever.
“Natus, you’re so passionate about this” My dude, it’s genocide. I should certainly hope so. Why aren’t you?
Passion is good. Empathy is good. But if you want to advance the laudable view that we ought not trivialize suffering, you’re fucking it up badly here. Caring about the suffering of Palestinians but not Israelis is no more laudable than the reverse. I value your voice here and don’t want to lose it even temporarily, but I also value other people’s, and you can probably already tell that you’re costing us those. Attempts to get on the right side by hardening one’s heart against the concerns of oppressors invites manipulation of one’s perception of oppression and turns justice into a PR auction, one which anti-Semitic white supremacists are currently delightedly manipulating. More importantly, showing that you care about some people’s suffering and not others harms our Stately Play community, which is the only community you’re directly affecting with your posts. That sort of thinking is a warning to anyone at risk of being othered, and when you specifically address it to another member of our community, that’s completely unacceptable.
I explain all this because I haven’t had to before now, and I want you to have an opportunity to learn. But, from a certain perspective, it looks like you got aggressive with another poster here because he’s Jewish, and the only reason that’s not an instaban is that there are lots of other perspectives, this whole topic is horrifically messy with clear moral imperatives seemingly conflicting right and left, and you’ve shown you’re trying to consider many perspectives and have a long history of community-building here.
So, think about how your posts look from the viewpoint of someone threatened by anti-Semitism at home, who knows that the neo-Nazis in their country are using this (yes, horrific, disproportionate, apparently illegal and genocidal) war as a recruiting tool to get people unwittingly helping them around the world. And remember that damage isn’t collateral if it’s the only damage you do.
This is gold.
Can you imagine the regret?
I for one am thankful for Brexit, it worked out great for me.
At the time I was working for the London Stock Exchange Group and because of Brexit, the merge with Deutsche Börse did not go through and for complicated reasons, that impacted me and I found myself out of work.
Which is how I ended up at Akamai and then Okta, which were career changing roles for me that might not have happened…if not for Brexit! 
Kudos for the on-topic post 
i was starting to feel possessive about this thread which I started to work through my personal Brexit psychodrama in front of a bunch of mostly anonymous strategy gamers on the internet, largely thanks to alcohol to be honest, now I look back. It‘s been a weird few years.
The whole brexit thing has been strange - following the brexit decision I shelved plans to apply for a UK passport. I could get one using ancestry application - my sister has one - since my Mum and grandparents on both sides were born in England.
I wanted it mostly on the off chance I could get to work in the EU or UK - most companies in my field will have a head office over there somewhere.
Once the brexit kicked in, I stopped it. If I need work rights in the UK it should be pretty simple, and the rest of EU? Well, that can be my companies problem.
Other than that, my family in “the north” are happy with brexit, so shrugs not sure it impacted their lives much but it did help their sense of identity.
Probably the one scandal that perhaps epitomises British society today, in which literally hundreds of people were convicted of financial crimes because post office software was shit, and no-one is going to be punished for it. This has been going on now since the 90s, and prosecutions continued until 2015.
https://youtu.be/2M48j58Twjw?si=h14PEM2Olz7Qk8EJ - watching the people responsible give evidence and just have their memory fail is the purest bullshit. Watching them avoid responsibility is insane. Nobody appears to have known what was going on, but they knew enough to say no-one else was having problems, and that if money was missing, they were going to be prosecuted for theft.
Anyone have any insight here? I thought the EU wasn’t allowed to have subsidies?
The other interesting part - how is the budget illegal? Would love to see that happen in the US!