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I have way too much material stuff because I’ve spent my whole life as a collector of various things. Which is something I’ve enjoyed and still do, but it gets to a point where I begin to lose track of The Things and whether I sold them off, gave them away, or still have them in a closet or the garage. Of course, I’m rather old, and my kids are still rather young, and I kind of hope they will not be interested in most of the junk I’ve been interested in.

I feel that way because I want them to both define their own interests not based on my own (my father desperately wanted me to be interested in basketball because he was; I could never work up the slightest interest for the sport–either watching or playing) and also because I don’t want their lives to be focused on “collecting” as mine has. If they’re going to collect anything, I would hope it will be experiences and not stuff.

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There’s something in poetry and literature called the tragic fallacy, and it basically refers to the idea that some greater dignity, order, or morality oversees and is at play in human existence. The writer’s job is to perceive that happening in life and describe it in poetry or other writing. We see this represented a lot in movies by funerals and burials taking place when it’s raining, for example, suggesting a larger order commenting on human affairs.

I bring this up because I think a lot of people believe, as they get towards the end of their lives, that they can write a will describing how they want everything to be handled and work out after they die. Each of their possessions sort of clicking into place with exactly the persons they want to have them. In that sense, we, the deceased, are inflicting our comments and wishes (as a larger order?) onto those that are still living.

But in reality, the fallacy is tragic because it’s an illusion–there is no greater, guiding morality for humans, as much as we would like their to be one. And the same is true about what happens to your stuff after you die. The truth is that most people don’t care about most of your stuff–all the order we want to bring about is meaningless and arbitrary to everyone else. It gave your life meaning to accumulate all that stuff, but that’s not at all what gave your life meaning to the people who cared about you. All they want is more days with you alive and in their lives. The people who care most about your stuff after you die are either looking to profit off your death, or they’re terribly sad and hoping to have a piece of you that they can pour their grief into.

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Many years ago when I still lived on the East coast, a girlfriend took me to a place in Pennsylvania that she thought I would like called the Mercer Museum. It is described as a museum of industrial-revolution-age artifacts and tools, but in reality, it is an impossibly large collection of…well…what most people would consider junk.

It is impressive for how remarkably large it is. This guy set his mind to accumulating a whole lot of stuff from a certain era, and he completely succeeded. And they’ve done an admirable job of displaying it and describing it so that it doesn’t entirely look like the results of a hoarder who collected junk (though that’s what it is, honestly).

And as I wandered through the place, it was hard, even then, decades ago, to not feel torn–thousands of people make the trip to this “museum” to view (what I learned was only a small percentage of) the stuff this guy was obsessed about and collected during his life. And yet, most of the stuff held zero interest for me and I would imagine for the vast majority of the people who showed up there. It is a legacy–much as all of my collected stuff will be, unless I get rid of it all–but it’s impressive not because of how neat all the stuff is but because of how much of it there is. And there are a lot of other things I’d prefer museum-money be spent on. Much as I imagine my kids will feel as they loo at all my accumulated stuff–”I wish dad had spent his money and time on other things.”

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As I consider my “legacy” (though I don’t think of it that way–I think of it as my accumulated stuff; my wife thinks of it far less politely), I am often reminded of an old Twilight Zone episode. In it, a boy starts collecting stuff when he is very young, and he makes a deal with some sort of magical goblin like creature, that he will one day have the most amazing collection of stuff, as long as he always makes his collection a priority.

And so the episode shows him growing up, becoming a man, getting older, collecting and finding these amazing items, but making terrible decisions in his personal life. And then towards the end of the episode, he pulls into the parking lot of an auction house in a classic car, filled to the brim with all his stuff. He is an old, withered man. He looks like he hasn’t washed in weeks, his beard is down over his chest, and he is in poor health. And alone.

The last scene is of this enfeebled man sitting in amongst the crowd at a high-end auction house as they sell off all his stuff. His eyes close, and he seems to die sitting in the chair. We see the goblin creature looking satisfied in the shadows.

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One of the nice things about having a decent board game collection is that they can be played. And many of them must be played with other people, thereby forcing you not to be a hermit-hoarder in order to enjoy them. You can also teach your kids how to play and end up creating memories, which are far more valuable than stuff, especially if you write them down (because as you get older, you will forget a remarkably frightening amount of stuff, and remember with weird clarity a lot of other stuff that you might prefer to forget).

Of course, games evolve and go in and out of favor, but once people have a game they like, especially one from childhood, they tend to keep playing it (see the dreaded Monopoly) and finding other people who like it to (even if it makes no sense to the rest of us).

This means there’s a sort of inverse relationship between “rare” games and “popular” games. The rare games that I feel really glad to have will mean nothing to my kids (aside from their potential value, I suppose) because they won’t remember playing them. The popular games, meanwhile, like Catan or Sagrada, for example, will be the ones that they care most about. My kids will almost certainly never play Battlestar Galactica (in part because they’ll never watch the show), and I almost never play it myself (because I know very few people here who ever saw the show or have the slightest interest in the game) (yes, they’re philistines) as much as I actually really like playing it (driving through northern Utah this summer? Stop by!) because I watched the show and think it’s a great game.

So should I sell that or keep it? At what age (my age and the age of the item) does it make sense to let something go? And how do we know when it’s that time? And how can we possibly expect to know which things we possess right now that anyone we care about would want to possess after we’re gone? No one’s going to want my board games, but they might want the relatively worthless ring I wear every day of my life. They might want the mug I drink coffee from most mornings, but the beat-up 1965 Mickey Mantle card I bought for $5 when I was a boy will be meaningless.

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@OhBollox I’ve had the same experience as you when people die. And it’s led to me to anticipate what will happen when people older than me will be gone one day, and who will act in what way towards what things. And it used to really bother me, imagining having to fight for some item or be slighted or be excluded my some other relative. But now, I don’t care. People are awful. This can’t be a surprise to me any longer. My experiences with the people I miss can never be taken away.

@Baelnor I am sorry for your loss, though it sounds like you made the right decisions in the wake of it, and in that way, you also gained something too.

@rinelk I don’t know that I will ever be “okay” with the idea that I’ll be dead. So you’re one up on me.

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I mean, it’s true, but I don’t think of it that way. I think about how excited I am that the people who survive me will do so, and will have the opportunity to make their world without me interfering or needing to be accounted for. It’s really helped me to see my kids doing music and musical theater, because it’s exposed me to a TON of really talented kids who are often terrifically supportive and appreciative of their peers. And there are some real weirdos among them, and they both celebrate and are celebrated by the rest of the kids, and that’s helped remind me that I like that there are a really wide variety of people all enthusiastic about their own weird stuff, and getting to pursue it and shape the world according to their desires. I wish they didn’t have to wait so long to be at the apex of their power over the culture, but I also need to get out of the way for that to happen.

I try to split the difference by being supportive of youth rights and pushing to include people in power structures earlier, and supporting actual youths over whom I have some influence. But, ultimately, older generations are in the way of younger generations getting shit done, and I’m excited for them to have that chance (and then to get out of the way of generations after theirs, hopefully having likewise supported them along the way).

Coincidentally, I got rid of my own copy of BSG just two weeks ago.

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I was wondering about this topic in a similar but not quite the same matter (no offspring, bachelor, probably end of the family line - so less on that front but more generally).

I really liked the anecdote about the old man in the auction house, but if I were that man I would die then and there because of being crestfallen that no one wants my old „junk“ at all.

I have the weirdest fixation on strategy guides for video games. And I believe I may be in the top 50 if not top 20 overall in having a „complete“ collection defined by my rules (no cheap print on demand self-published crap on Amazon, only English and German editions, etc…).

I was then and there when the specific product line came into life, flourished, floundered, was lapped digitally by the internet and finally died of a sad death of irrelevance and obscurity.

When I started I specifically only went for the utility and art-book-ish nature of it but it somehow got away from me. I have guides for games I don’t even own as well as some still shrink wrapped of games I own and played to completion. Now I still catch myself once or twice a year standing in front of my bookshelfs basking in part my long lost youth and the pointless futility of it all (and huge waste of money).

And still I cannot get rid of the tons of printed paper.

It got me thinking, that this one collection is extra-worthless for nonexistent potential heirs, but the hilarity of it all as a medium. Collecting Strategy guides? They are almost immediately irrelevant. Collecting Cassettes? VHS? CDs? Bluerays? My ripped CDs with blurry subpar encoded TV series I spend days in my teenage years copying from my friends? Do they even work? Did I even watch them once? Burning CDs wasn’t so future- proof everyone claimed 30 years ago after all. Even contemporary books are a joke with the contemporary quality of paper, binding and glue used.

2-3 Generations prior had it easier I think? At least old books and photographs aged more gracefully (in general). My parents have tons of slides because that was a thing back there. Getting together with the extended family once a year and present slides via projector of the vacations and travels and exchange „memories“ like that. My father started digitizing them 10 years ago, but will this stuff be even readable/usable in a decade? I started with a digicam, but even my stuff is dangerously close to being unrecoverable (reason being massively uninterested in photography as a whole nowadays).

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I believe the process of passing on physical „memories“ is changing drastically. As well as general loss of „sentimental“ data. Who even has PHYSICAL photos anymore nowadays (not the 5 photos of your family on the fireplace, I mean the sum total of your past 3 decades of photos from your travels, parties, etc). That Flashdrive copy of all your photos you did in wise preparation of securing it in case your PC dies 20 years ago on a 4 GB stick…….does it still work? Is the cheap plastic casing of that stick still intact? VHS Videos (or burned CDs) of your wedding? What - you still have vinyl records of your favorite music? Yeah, me too! THERE ARE DOZENS OF US! DOZENS!!!

Uh….rant over…but…not only is TikTok brainrotting our youth, soon its the only thing left of our culture to pass o…..I see my self out, thanks bye.

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And then there are the FOMO blokes that ponder what’s happening with their steam library after they die /facepalm

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Vinyl records outsell cds in the US at this point and are rather popular and widely available. My nephew (20) asked for and is getting a record player for his birthday this month as well as a pile of vinyl records from me (cast-offs from my own collection–don’t worry, I’m keeping the 80s new wave and goth from my well-spent youth).

I don’t think I’d want to inherit someone else’s Steam library–I haven’t played half of what’s in my own : ) Inheriting someone’s SteamDeck, on the other hand….

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This is more or less a general apology for going MIA for a month. I am genuinely touched by the concern that my fellow SPers have expressed.

Essentially I had a pile-up of Life worries, which I think we all have been through, and the breaking point was our cat of 15 years being diagnosed as chronically ill and eventually, after a couple of months, needing to be put sleep. I got very bad at responding to anything external, work, family & friends generally. Oddly, the daily demand to attend to my Ascension (h/t @Blackfyre) Clank!, Carcassonne and Cascadia games has been a stable point amid everything.

Anyway, the crisis is past *knocks on hotel genuine wood-effect table*. Back in action, ready to engage.

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All good, very sorry to hear about your cat (my 20yo passed away a few years ago and it was so damn hard). But glad to hear that you are ok.

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Very glad you’re back.

Thanks for the insights regarding your private situation.. I feel sorry for your loss as well..

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I’m so sorry to hear all that. :frowning: It sounds really rough. Been there with pet issues and sometimes it is the mundane “daily demand” that keeps us going, even when we think it shouldn’t.

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Putting down a longtime pet is hard. I’ve been there, and I’m sure a lot of others here too. In the end, I’m sure you did what was best for your cat. Try to remember the good parts of your time together more than the ending.

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Went to the funeral of a friend’s mother last week, and basically had non-stop inappropriate thoughts through the entire thing. It was hot (34C), I was tired, and as I filed in the schedule by the door informed me the previous service had been for ‘baby of’ and that really did just shit on my shoes. I was baffled by the inadequacy of the person speaking and summing up her life; not that the person was bad at their job, they weren’t, but that they were not particularly good at it either, and that the only parts that really spoke to me was when the personality of the lady in question showed through despite the rushed precis of her life from birth to grave.

The staff at the crematorium were so brusque I wanted to punch two of them. Genuinely wanted to lamp them. I sincerely hope I don’t have to go there again.

I got sunburned, I got dehydrated, and we had a laugh afterwards at the wake, but holy fuck, boys and girls, if you come to my funeral, feel free to shout “Bollocks!” whenever they make some mawkish fucking point about me. And no fucking terrible poetry, either. The relaxed dress standards were a godsend, for several reasons, and after I gave my friend a hug and left, I felt as disillusioned as I ever have. What a load of old shit.

It’s a bleak world, and some cunt speaking at my funeral who never knew me, telling people who did know me, with fake assurance, that I was made of solid gold and had a ten-inch cock, is just repellent. Stick me in the bin, for all I care. Just don’t disrespect my memory like that.

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I’m not opposed to funerals generally, but I abandoned plans to go eat with my extended family after my grandfather’s, because people behaved with such a horrifying combination of rote hagiography and greed for the sympathy spotlight during the service that my reserve of social graces was depleted by keeping my seat and my silence.

My sympathies.

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Absolutely. The eulogy should be given by someone who knew the deceased, so you don’t get the generic fill-in name here loved life and was a splendid person speech. It is a horrible job to give a eulogy, from experience, but that’s no reason for someone not to step up. Bring some actual humanity to the process.

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I spoke when my Dad died, but as I was overseas I recorded the video and they played it. Still have it somewhere - wasn’t great. There is a real fear of public speaking from people though, so the other person that spoke was from his work.

I dislike funerals. Not great at celebrating life and death!

Sorry to hear the overall experience was terrible

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Last night, when I tried to shower before bed around 2am (I work evenings), I couldn’t get hot water. Thus did I discover the water heater was broken and leaking. And the valve which shut off water to the water heater was corroded to inoperability. And the gas line valve had no handle.

By the time I got the HVAC company which installed the gas valve on the phone and learned it was safe to just turn it with pliers, it was about 4am, and I had the water to the whole house shut off. In order that others could at least have cold water for the morning (without spewing some more around the basement), I stayed up until Home Depot opened at 6 and bought a replacement sharkbite valve, cut the pipe, and put that on.

Today, they came and replaced the water heater. I was impressed with their response time, but, as you might imagine, I was too tired to supervise and slept through them deciding to remove some seemingly-extraneous pipes—the hot and cold supply lines to my shower. So, now I am not only sticky but also angry. And, honestly, kind of baffled.

EDIT: I was wrong! The removed pipe actually was extraneous. Despite the shower being so dead it wasn’t even haunted, once I turned some valves off and then back on, it started working fine.

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Luckily discovered our water heater leaking from the base about two years ago - apparently it was courteous enough to warn us that it was about to die. It predated our purchase of the house and was definitely over its service life. Replaced it with a tankless from the utility company, which they bill at 0% financing and just add to the utility bill every month. I figured I’d save money on the gas with going tankless; meanwhile my daughters now just take endless showers because the hot water never runs out, so I’m supporting the water company.

The water heater in my condo, which literally exploded during the first open house for its sale, on the other hand…

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Replaced ours about a year ago after I couldn’t restart the pilot light, which I had been able to do several times in the months before that. The repairman came, took literally one look at the water heater and asked how long we’d had it, then before I could even try to come up with an answer, said, “You know you gotta replace these every 8 to ten years.” I replied, “What? That’s crazy. 8 to ten years?!?”

  1. He was entirely correct about that.

  2. We’d had ours for over 15.

  3. In my head, I was walking around very certain that you replaced them every 20 years or so.

  4. Our repairman was remarkably patient with me.

I still think it’s absurd that you need to replace them at all, frankly. It’s a water tank. It’s not a computer. This is why my wife interacts with repair people now while I sit in the dark corner of the basement sharpening my knives.

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We have a tankless water heater, the main unit had been installed by the previous owner and had died last year so I had to ahve it replaced, but no problems with the new system. I have been quite happy with it and the endless hot water.

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